UUHK Humanist Group and ExChristian.info present: "Let's chat!"
Date: 5 Sep 2011 (Mon)
Time: 7:30pm – 9:30pm
Venue: Hong Kong Christian Institute (HKCI), 10/F, 11 Mong Kok Road, Kowloon
Content: watch film Religulous (part); discuss pitfalls of faith; sharing (please bring one item, material or non-material: books, articles, DVDs, church jokes, church history, doctrinal and biblical fallacies, etc)
Moderator: Ms Virginia Yue (Convener, Humanist Group, UUHK)
Registration: not required
"I doubt very much you could call yourselves ex-Christians. You may be called unchurched. If you people could match Heb 6:4-8, then you are ex-Christians."
TC Chan to UU Hong Kong <firstname.lastname@example.org> 6 Sep 2011
If you do not believe in the consequences of leaving Christianity and take Heb 6:4-6 as an unreal threat, take a look at the components of having Christian faith as described in Heb and elsewhere in the Bible. To be an exChristian, you have to be a real Christian before. In general, according to the Bible, Christians should have acknowledged that they are created by God but have ignored Him as the creator, and knowing that this is a sin (in combination with other behavioral and mental perversions if aware) and God has set up salvation by crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus the incarnate, they have repent and received Jesus as the Lord. They committed to treat God as God. Upon receiving Christ, they would have some spiritual experience of joy. As they have Holy Spirit interacting with their thinking, conscience, and emotion, they would have illuminations in life orientation, values and moral conduct. Also, before they rejected their faith, they should also have believed the consequences mentioned in Heb as true and valid. If that is so, they are exChristians. In fact, all exChristians would also have experienced some sort of psychological struggles in rejecting their God together with the Christian life orientation and Christian values (and may be fellow Christians too) that they had cherished before.
Those who just come to the church for a period of time, no matter how long it has been, but have never such conversion and spiritual experience are not exChristians. They may be unChurched.
我的回應：同意。很多「離教者」都有過你描述的經驗。有些甚至是牧師和護教學家，例如 Why I Became an Atheist 一書作者 John Loftus。更重要的是，很多「離教者」，是為了真理與道德而離棄基督宗教的。他們看到基督宗教基本教義的荒謬，迷信神蹟異能，反科學，違反真理。《聖經》裡的神極權、排他、殘暴，教會歷史充滿血腥，當今教會不乏黑暗醜聞，抹黑慈悲異教，對同性戀者麻木不仁，違反道德。離開，為的是真理與道德。
I'm watching a 911 movie on TV about the people on United 93, which crashed before it hit the white house. The voice recordings show that some people prayed and cried out for help of God. There were religious Christians on the plane holding hands when they prayed. Finally, of course, they all died and became heroes. God didn't listen to them.
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